jaytl
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Post by jaytl on Apr 1, 2022 7:41:32 GMT -6
I'm not sure how big of a deal this bill is outside of FL...but holy shit! It's all anyone is talking about here. Fox New's front page is covered in it.
Actually reading the bill, I didn't think anything of it. I listened to a podcast going line by line, and holy shit it's such a terrible piece of legislation.
And now Disney corp gets caught in it..by wanting to stay neutral. And now that they're not, FL is looking to take a way a ton of rights that Disney has.
These FL politicians are on their way out (at least the Governor is), so they're trying to burn it down on their way out
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Post by jaytl on Apr 1, 2022 8:44:45 GMT -6
I just had to vent about it lol
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Post by CyberpunkCentral on Apr 1, 2022 9:32:47 GMT -6
I'll try my best not to get too political here, but I'm conflicted on this. What exactly are the limits of teaching kids about sexuality here? It's not clear. I think it's fine to educate kids on being gay. Homosexuality is not the issue. I'm just like, okay, we're teaching sex-ed that early now? I don't know. Educate me on this topic, guys. I keep hearing conflicting reports.
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Post by jaytl on Apr 1, 2022 9:54:07 GMT -6
I'll try my best not to get too political here, but I'm conflicted on this. What exactly are the limits of teaching kids about sexuality here? It's not clear. I think it's fine to educate kids on being gay. Homosexuality is not the issue. I'm just like, okay, we're teaching sex-ed that early now? I don't know. Educate me on this topic, guys. I keep hearing conflicting reports. So the bill says any curriculum that has things like that are off limits K-3. Okay that's fine. But then it also says anything older has to be age appropriate. Most of the bill is intentionally vague about stuff like that. Who defines age appropriate? Not the bill. What if a gay Kindergarten teacher mentions their same sex partner packed their lunch? What if they have a picture on their desk? What if it's a hetero teacher but they have a picture of a same sex sibling? Any of that can lead to a lawsuit.
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Post by mwynn on Apr 1, 2022 10:05:39 GMT -6
It is designed to attack something that is not happening. There have been no stated cases of some educator talking to a Kindergartner about sexuality, no matter who it is with. They are fighting phantoms, and getting people riled up. Then when the violence starts they will act surprised.
It is sad that people need boogey men to fight because things are too good for them.
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Post by jaytl on Apr 1, 2022 10:06:22 GMT -6
I can have a ton of things to say about how this bill is terrible, and it have nothing to do with my politics.
A same sex parent can be upset about the curriculum and sue the fucking school for the actual bill being passed
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Post by jaytl on Apr 1, 2022 10:07:12 GMT -6
It is designed to attack something that is not happening. There have been no stated cases of some educator talking to a Kindergartner about sexuality, no matter who it is with. They are fighting phantoms, and getting people riled up. Then when the violence starts they will act surprised. It is sad that people need boogey men to fight because things are too good for them. This entire bill was made to get the Governor into the national media. You won't be able to convince me otherwise
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Post by CyberpunkCentral on Apr 1, 2022 10:11:53 GMT -6
I'll try my best not to get too political here, but I'm conflicted on this. What exactly are the limits of teaching kids about sexuality here? It's not clear. I think it's fine to educate kids on being gay. Homosexuality is not the issue. I'm just like, okay, we're teaching sex-ed that early now? I don't know. Educate me on this topic, guys. I keep hearing conflicting reports. So the bill says any curriculum that has things like that are off limits K-3. Okay that's fine. But then it also says anything older has to be age appropriate. Most of the bill is intentionally vague about stuff like that. Who defines age appropriate? Not the bill. What if a gay Kindergarten teacher mentions their same sex partner packed their lunch? What if they have a picture on their desk? What if it's a hetero teacher but they have a picture of a same sex sibling? Any of that can lead to a lawsuit. Yeah, see. I totally get that. Because some people make it sound like they are teaching sex to young children. I'm like, my common sense wants to say something, but everything is still too vague. But yeah, it's fucking dumb getting in trouble just by mentioning your partner or spouse.
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Post by jaytl on Apr 1, 2022 10:13:40 GMT -6
So the bill says any curriculum that has things like that are off limits K-3. Okay that's fine. But then it also says anything older has to be age appropriate. Most of the bill is intentionally vague about stuff like that. Who defines age appropriate? Not the bill. What if a gay Kindergarten teacher mentions their same sex partner packed their lunch? What if they have a picture on their desk? What if it's a hetero teacher but they have a picture of a same sex sibling? Any of that can lead to a lawsuit. Yeah, see. I totally get that. Because some people make it sound like they are teaching sex to young children. I'm like, my common sense wants to say something, but everything is still to vague. But yeah, it's fucking dumb getting in trouble just by mentioning your partner or spouse. Yeah. When it was first announced it sounded harmless. But after reading the entire bill, the intentional vagueness and the comments after the fact (about how it's an "anti-woke" bill) are what has me riled up.
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Post by mwynn on Apr 1, 2022 10:14:21 GMT -6
It is designed to attack something that is not happening. There have been no stated cases of some educator talking to a Kindergartner about sexuality, no matter who it is with. They are fighting phantoms, and getting people riled up. Then when the violence starts they will act surprised. It is sad that people need boogey men to fight because things are too good for them. This entire bill was made to get the Governor into the national media. You won't be able to convince me otherwise Yes, this is what things have becoming. They are all becoming grandstanders. This country and quite a few others have leadership problems. They are in these positions to lead the voices of the people that voted for them. Instead they are there to show their ass, and get tv deals later.
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Post by jaytl on Apr 1, 2022 10:18:50 GMT -6
This entire bill was made to get the Governor into the national media. You won't be able to convince me otherwise Yes, this is what things have becoming. They are all becoming grandstanders. This country and quite a few others have leadership problems. They are in these positions to lead the voices of the people that voted for them. Instead they are there to show their ass, and get tv deals later. It didn't work when he took a stand against COVID (he tried to withhold funding to school districts that had mask mandates...just in case anyone leaning Right knows what we're getting with their frontrunner), but this seems to be doing it.
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Post by mwynn on Apr 1, 2022 10:23:55 GMT -6
It is going to work as a dog whistle for the people that want to hate people for being themselves.
We are constantly told to be unique and not like everyone else. Then are told oh wait not like that, here is a pre-approved list.
It is a living contradiction of this document.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Until there is Freedom for all, there is no Freedom.
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Post by jaytl on Apr 1, 2022 10:27:59 GMT -6
It is going to work as a dog whistle for the people that want to hate people for being themselves. We are constantly told to be unique and not like everyone else. Then are told oh wait not like that, here is a pre-approved list. It is a living contradiction of this document. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Until there is Freedom for all, there is no Freedom. Tell some of these politicians that black people have rights and read your post again. This whole shit is fucked
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Post by mwynn on Apr 1, 2022 10:43:59 GMT -6
Right it works across the board. I watched Gangs of New York again recently and they hate was on full display. The problem is it has not changed, it was just quiet for awhile.
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Post by jaytl on Apr 1, 2022 10:58:29 GMT -6
So at first, Disney gets shit on for staying neutral/silent.
Now they're getting shit on for not being silent/neutral.
Comcast/Universal also has a presence down here, but no one cares lol
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Post by mwynn on Apr 1, 2022 11:19:08 GMT -6
It is always about Disney and what they are doing or not doing. The others get to skate by.
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Post by CyberpunkCentral on Apr 1, 2022 15:32:39 GMT -6
This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. I totally respect what Rodney is saying and I'm still thinking about it, but studios like Disney are getting into politics. In my opinion, they really shouldn't. But they are doing it anyway and are effecting the movies we watch. Like, all of a sudden, they just decided to put back the same-sex kissing scene in Lightyear. Hypocrites! They shouldn't have removed it to begin with, yet they want to act like the have the higher moral ground. -_-
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Post by jaytl on Apr 1, 2022 16:36:09 GMT -6
This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. I totally respect what Rodney is saying and I'm still thinking about it, but studios like Disney are getting into politics. In my opinion, they really shouldn't. But they are doing it anyway and are effecting the movies we watch. Like, all of a sudden, they just decided to put back the same-sex kissing scene in Lightyear. Hypocrites! They shouldn't have removed it to begin with, yet they want to act like the have the higher moral ground. -_- Which is ironic because they caught a ton of shit for trying to stay out of it lol
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Post by mwynn on Apr 3, 2022 7:27:01 GMT -6
This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. I totally respect what Rodney is saying and I'm still thinking about it, but studios like Disney are getting into politics. In my opinion, they really shouldn't. But they are doing it anyway and are effecting the movies we watch. Like, all of a sudden, they just decided to put back the same-sex kissing scene in Lightyear. Hypocrites! They shouldn't have removed it to begin with, yet they want to act like the have the higher moral ground. -_- No business should be involved in politics. Yet it has been that way since the beginning. It starts to skew things in one direction, and it is bad for the people. Watch the 13th on Netflix to see what I am talking about. Politics has become a game of getting payback and revenge and not supporting the people. They should be publishing stats for politicians on their voting records and what they are doing to help their district.
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Post by CyberpunkCentral on Apr 3, 2022 12:36:27 GMT -6
This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. I totally respect what Rodney is saying and I'm still thinking about it, but studios like Disney are getting into politics. In my opinion, they really shouldn't. But they are doing it anyway and are effecting the movies we watch. Like, all of a sudden, they just decided to put back the same-sex kissing scene in Lightyear. Hypocrites! They shouldn't have removed it to begin with, yet they want to act like the have the higher moral ground. -_- No business should be involved in politics. Yet it has been that way since the beginning. It starts to skew things in one direction, and it is bad for the people. Watch the 13th on Netflix to see what I am talking about. Politics has become a game of getting payback and revenge and not supporting the people. They should be publishing stats for politicians on their voting records and what they are doing to help their district. Yeah Bob Chapek tried to avoid politics, but Disney as a company is way too woke. People with different political views than mine don't offend me at all. It's the hypocrisy that bothers me. Disney is all over China's dick, yet all of a sudden are "concern" with what's going on in Florida.
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