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Post by mwynn on Aug 5, 2022 6:13:49 GMT -6
I have probably talked with people about this 100's of times.
What is Superman in this current world? Why does he not work? Why do people embrace characters like Homelander?
To me the main problem is the oversaturation of the Superman archetype and how it has to bend to our spiraling madness.
Superman should stand alone, and never sink to the levels of a Homelander. He needs to be a beacon of light in the darkness. Superman should take the time to save a cat from a tree.
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Post by john1701d on Aug 5, 2022 6:43:28 GMT -6
100% agree. It's not character issues I have with Superman but how do you consistently come up with stories trying to fight a God. He needs more vulnerability, not just kryptonite or magic.
I'm very tired of stuff like The Boys and stopped watching it. Life is hard enough without wallowing in that kind of shit.
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Post by mwynn on Aug 5, 2022 6:50:38 GMT -6
100% agree. It's not character issues I have with Superman but how do you consistently come up with stories trying to fight a God. He needs more vulnerability, not just kryptonite or magic. I'm very tired of stuff like The Boys and stopped watching it. Life is hard enough without wallowing in that kind of shit. Have you watched the Superman and Lois show?
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Post by john1701d on Aug 5, 2022 7:04:19 GMT -6
I watched I think the first 3 and liked it but they yanked it off of Max and I've never gone back.
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Post by mwynn on Aug 5, 2022 7:26:40 GMT -6
I watched I think the first 3 and liked it but they yanked it off of Max and I've never gone back. Do you think they handle is powers properly on the show?
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Post by kylor on Aug 5, 2022 7:49:24 GMT -6
What Superman seems to be missing is the tiny details. Like, when he's not Superman and he's Clark, he should act completely different from Superman but still have a helping quality about him. Like if someone's about to drop their food, he'll quietly and quickly grab and help them up. ![](https://c.tenor.com/LzgF8ZooJaQAAAAC/spiderman-spidey.gif) Not as obvious as that gif, but small daily life things like that is my point.
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Post by kingkevzilla on Aug 5, 2022 8:01:23 GMT -6
The problems with Superman have nothing to due with the actual character. When done right, Superman is high science fantasy about a man with a hart of gold, who even without powers would run into a burning building with a second thought to save kids. Someone to aspire to be like. Sadly, there are way too many cynical writers out there don't think anyone like that exists. So they try to make him look like crap or make an evil counterpoint to him. I'm so sick of that, it's been played out for years.
This wouldn't be so bad if DC knew what to do with him. Witch at this point, I don't think they know how, other than making him a farther. I've heard nothing but good things about Dan Jorgen's run.
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Post by kylor on Aug 5, 2022 8:04:49 GMT -6
As much as Cavill is my favorite Superman, his Clark Kent is lacking. I think he saved a school bus of kids in Man of Steel as a kid. That's about it. ![:shrug:](//storage.proboards.com/7266408/images/wlbrASwuDMtYPUsssjsb.gif)
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Post by mwynn on Aug 5, 2022 9:10:06 GMT -6
As much as Cavill is my favorite Superman, his Clark Kent is lacking. I think he saved a school bus of kids in Man of Steel as a kid. That's about it. ![:shrug:](//storage.proboards.com/7266408/images/wlbrASwuDMtYPUsssjsb.gif) Reeve had the Clark Kent part down perfectly. Slouching and always looking down. Cavill did not understand Clark because Snyder did not understand Clark.
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Post by kingkevzilla on Aug 5, 2022 9:20:07 GMT -6
OH LORD, the next Superman book is going to be YA book where Superman fights 4Chan.
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Post by john1701d on Aug 5, 2022 9:20:50 GMT -6
I watched I think the first 3 and liked it but they yanked it off of Max and I've never gone back. Do you think they handle is powers properly on the show? Honestly I need to go back and start over. It's been a while.
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Post by CyberpunkCentral on Aug 5, 2022 9:23:51 GMT -6
Making Superman dark or evil seems to be a thing in recent years. I get that some don't want the "saving a cat from a tree" Superman, but edgier Superman is now overkill.
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Post by mwynn on Aug 5, 2022 9:54:50 GMT -6
Making Superman dark or evil seems to be a thing in recent years. I get that some don't want the "saving a cat from a tree" Superman, but edgier Superman is now overkill. Dc is not looking for treatments of a traditional Superman. The guy that saves cats needs to make a come back. That is his humbleness and wanting to be just like us. So I did write a treatment. And decided to adapt it myself with a character called Sigma. He is the only hero on his Earth. He has been there for 40 years. He has been dealing with PTSD from all the fighting and decides he is going to give up. He does not feel like that anything he has done has solved anything, except causing destruction.
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Post by CyberpunkCentral on Aug 5, 2022 10:06:34 GMT -6
Another thing, I don't think Cavil was as dark as some make him out to be. If anything, New 52 Superman is worse in my opinion anyway.
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Post by mwynn on Aug 5, 2022 10:30:41 GMT -6
Another thing, I don't think Cavil was as dark as some make him out to be. If anything, New 52 Superman is worse in my opinion anyway. I think the Dark stuff comes from Pa Kent and the way he talks to Clark. Saying maybe he should have let people die. That is the wrong message.
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Post by CyberpunkCentral on Aug 5, 2022 10:39:09 GMT -6
Another thing, I don't think Cavil was as dark as some make him out to be. If anything, New 52 Superman is worse in my opinion anyway. I think the Dark stuff comes from Pa Kent and the way he talks to Clark. Saying maybe he should have let people die. That is the wrong message. I get that, but I have a different prospective about that. Pa Kent is just a very worried father and is afraid of his son being rejected by the entire world if he exposes himself. Yes, wrong message. But lets be honest, most fathers care for their sons and daughters, but they act the wrong way at times.
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Post by kylor on Aug 5, 2022 17:17:47 GMT -6
Symbiote Superman deserves to be next.
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