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Post by mwynn on Sept 21, 2022 8:32:22 GMT -6
I pretty much avoid any movie that feels mean spirited. Pretty much any kind of serial killer or torture movies. Way too much of that kind of stuff on the news, not going to spend money when I can see it for free.
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Post by CyberpunkCentral on Sept 21, 2022 9:16:23 GMT -6
I get what you mean about mean spritied movies (I have a list, can't think off the top of my head right now. Will get back to you on that later). But at the same time, its all subjective as well. For example, I'm a HUGE fan of the Hannibal Lecter franchise. So serial killer movies or shows don't bother me as long as they are treated as intellectal crime thrillers. Serial killer stuff only bothers me when its gratuitous. Like glorifying a real-life serial killer (I know that's not the filmmakers intention, but still comes off that way) and the torture porn genre. I give the Saw movies a pass, but hate everything else from that genre. Like Hostel Part II. I HATE that movie with a burning passion. Its torturing people for the sake of torturing people. At least the Saw movies feel like actual crime trillers with a purpose behind the murders.
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Post by mikezilla3k on Sept 21, 2022 9:32:50 GMT -6
I mean, I saw someone get beatened to death across the street where I live and yet I love slasher movies.
I can see where people who dislike them come from a bit, but I just agree to disagree.
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Post by CyberpunkCentral on Sept 21, 2022 9:42:54 GMT -6
Its funny how some people make such a big deal about the violence in Quentin Tarantino films. CLEARLY, these people don't watch enough movies. Quentin Tarantino's violence is cartoony, if anything.
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Post by mwynn on Sept 21, 2022 9:45:36 GMT -6
I get what you mean about mean spritied movies (I have a list, can't think off the top of my head right now. Will get back to you on that later). But at the same time, its all subjective as well. For example, I'm a HUGE fan of the Hannibal Lecter franchise. So serial killer movies or shows don't bother me as long as they are treated as intellectal crime thrillers. Serial killer stuff only bothers me when its gratuitous. Like glorifying a real-life serial killer (I know that's not the filmmakers intention, but still comes off that way) and the torture porn genre. I give the Saw movies a pass, but hate everything else from that genre. Like Hostel Part II. I HATE that movie with a burning passion. Its torturing people for the sake of torturing people. At least the Saw movies feel like actual crime trillers with a purpose behind the murders. I would say those movies are on the outside. I am think more like Hostel or Joker. Just violence and hurting people just cause. Like X and the movies that are following it.
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Post by mikezilla3k on Sept 21, 2022 9:48:04 GMT -6
Quentin Tarantino's violence is cartoony, if anything. And even then, it's tame compared to something like Takashi Miike.. Just violence and hurting people just cause. Like X and the movies that are following it. Eh, with ones like Hostel, it's only really to get a scare out of people. Don't think Eli Roth could have any other "deep" reason to it even if he tried........ And unlike dungheaps like X, his films are just meant to be grindhouse shlock. No real attempt at something "deep" in them, just meant to make you shit your pants in terror (or at least, attempt it).
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Post by CyberpunkCentral on Sept 21, 2022 9:53:42 GMT -6
I get what you mean about mean spritied movies (I have a list, can't think off the top of my head right now. Will get back to you on that later). But at the same time, its all subjective as well. For example, I'm a HUGE fan of the Hannibal Lecter franchise. So serial killer movies or shows don't bother me as long as they are treated as intellectal crime thrillers. Serial killer stuff only bothers me when its gratuitous. Like glorifying a real-life serial killer (I know that's not the filmmakers intention, but still comes off that way) and the torture porn genre. I give the Saw movies a pass, but hate everything else from that genre. Like Hostel Part II. I HATE that movie with a burning passion. Its torturing people for the sake of torturing people. At least the Saw movies feel like actual crime trillers with a purpose behind the murders. I would say those movies are on the outside. I am think more like Hostel or Joker. Just violence and hurting people just cause. Like X and the movies that are following it. Joker? I'm surprised you said that. Joker in general or the movie Joker? If anything, Phoenix's Joker is watered down compared to comic Joker and, hell, Ledger's Joker. But I guess the Joker movie comes off as a bit too "realistic" for a comic book movie.
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Post by mikezilla3k on Sept 21, 2022 9:59:27 GMT -6
We need a Joker adaption in films to be................actually the Joker.
Seriously, when the last time we saw the Joker actually be a joker? Ever since TDK, he's been a bland psychopath with no humor.
Give us the sick maniac who will make any suffering into a joke for once...enough of this "muh society" shit.
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Post by mwynn on Sept 21, 2022 10:01:16 GMT -6
I would say those movies are on the outside. I am think more like Hostel or Joker. Just violence and hurting people just cause. Like X and the movies that are following it. Joker? I'm surprised you said that. Joker in general or the movie Joker? If anything, Phoenix's Joker is watered down compared to comic Joker and, hell, Ledger's Joker. But I guess the Joker movie comes off as a bit too "realistic" for a comic book movie. Yeah the movie Joker. Everyone in the movie but one person is sadistic.
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Post by CyberpunkCentral on Sept 21, 2022 10:05:21 GMT -6
I think people are missing the point. Phoenix's Joker is Joker in concept only. Similar to how Martha and Robin became Jokers as well in the comics. Hell, the Gotham TV series plays around with this concept as well. Also, what? Joker has always been a psychopath since forever.
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Post by CyberpunkCentral on Sept 21, 2022 10:07:32 GMT -6
Joker? I'm surprised you said that. Joker in general or the movie Joker? If anything, Phoenix's Joker is watered down compared to comic Joker and, hell, Ledger's Joker. But I guess the Joker movie comes off as a bit too "realistic" for a comic book movie. Yeah the movie Joker. Everyone in the movie but one person is sadistic. Which is why I'm not disturbed by it. Where as Joker in the comics murders innocent people for no reason. Also isn't that the point of Gotham? Its full of scummy people.
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Post by mwynn on Sept 21, 2022 10:09:28 GMT -6
Yeah the movie Joker. Everyone in the movie but one person is sadistic. Which is why I'm not disturbed by it. Where as Joker in the comics murders innocent people for no reason. Also isn't that the point of Gotham? Its full of scummy people. No, because then there is nothing for Batman to fight for.
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Post by CyberpunkCentral on Sept 21, 2022 10:11:40 GMT -6
Which is why I'm not disturbed by it. Where as Joker in the comics murders innocent people for no reason. Also isn't that the point of Gotham? Its full of scummy people. No, because then there is nothing for Batman to fight for. I didn't say everyone is scummy.
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Post by mwynn on Sept 21, 2022 10:12:48 GMT -6
No, because then there is nothing for Batman to fight for. I didn't say everyone is scummy. The ratio in the movie is to high.
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Post by mikezilla3k on Sept 21, 2022 10:14:32 GMT -6
I think people are missing the point. Phoenix's Joker is Joker in concept only. Similar to how Martha and Robin became Jokers as well in the comics. Hell, the Gotham TV series plays around with this concept as well. Also, what? Joker has always been a psychopath since forever.Yes, but ever since TDK came out, he's been a bland psychopath that's only really the Joker because of his outfit. Doesn't act like him a lot of the time. Nothing more to him other than he's crazy and "society". I just think having him be one who will make your pain a joke is more menacing than a guy who will kill you just because he's crazy. Also, I like the idea of him just wanting a glorious end with Batman and him being a pathetic loser when that seems to be taken away from him. Fittingly enough, it makes him one big..................................joke.
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Post by CyberpunkCentral on Sept 21, 2022 10:15:47 GMT -6
I didn't say everyone is scummy. The ratio in the movie is to high. There is a theory that its all in Arthur's head. So from his prospective, mostly everyone is scummy.
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Post by mwynn on Sept 21, 2022 12:04:44 GMT -6
The ratio in the movie is to high. There is a theory that its all in Arthur's head. So from his prospective, mostly everyone is scummy. Possibly. I just want to try to enjoy entertainment, and not have it drag down my mood. If there is some mystery to it, or the bad guy gets what is coming to them it is different. These movies where we have to follow these sadist are not interesting to me.
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Post by kylor on Sept 22, 2022 7:09:55 GMT -6
Aside from a very select few, I see most horror movies as comedies because they are just impossible to take seriously.
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Post by CyberpunkCentral on Sept 22, 2022 7:15:00 GMT -6
When horror movies take themselves seriously, it becomes disturbing. Depending how its executed anyway. Like the film Salo for example. That's a fuck'd up movie. A lot of people will say its a torture porn film like Hostel. Which I would have to disagree. Its a very brutal film, but its actually a metaphor for Italian politicals at that time. Where as Hostel, feels like Eli Roth is trolling.
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Post by kylor on Sept 22, 2022 8:44:00 GMT -6
I like when horror movies actually try to be horror. It's so rare that I respect it.
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